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Post by shimel on May 27, 2011 18:11:52 GMT -5
I'm not taking second place. We can take him out if we all work together. But chance will be firing all over the place and app will continue to see us. app's not likely to holster his power because we're using our lynch on chance. Not to mention that Ana and Rocoo will still have vigs to use, and since they won't work on chance, they'll probably be firing at uncleareds.
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Post by shimel on May 27, 2011 18:19:07 GMT -5
Assuming chance keeps the powers he gains from his victims, he has:
Whatever Zyke had SI's vig weeba's power (force someone's power to reflect on themselves) espyes' power (vig immunity and immunity to 2 lynches) Possible other power from a vig we don't know about
If he keeps the power, he should've had vigs on Days 4 and 5. Did anyone claim the one on blu (ETA - jon did, but who knows if that's true)? And why didn't he have one on day 5?
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Post by poppycox88 on May 27, 2011 18:24:23 GMT -5
You don't get to choose which one of the uses is blocked just one at random.
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Post by shimel on May 27, 2011 18:38:01 GMT -5
Maybe we should try to make a deal (through Movi, who can't hide much longer anyway) with chance to kill app. tell him we won't lynch him if he vigs app?
With how much power he has, and Ana's guard (which hopefully isn't a full guard), I don't see much we can do here. We can't let app get more sees.
13 players left.... 8-4-1, with 5/8 cleared and chance as crazy powerful. Our chances of pulling this out are slimming by the minute.
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Post by undercover brother on May 27, 2011 19:40:54 GMT -5
Ok but he'll be killing too and if he somehow manages not to kill any of us then we're still doing ok
Two villagers over the next two days brings it to 6
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Post by shimel on May 27, 2011 21:33:28 GMT -5
I almost think one of us should come out to negotiate. Movi and Moses won't last another day without being at least looked at, and we could make a deal with the village. They'd have to agree to let us block app though. I don't buy that we give them our lynches while he sits there seeing the rest of the player board, giving them the win at the end.
I'm going out tonight, so can't look at any of this until tomorrow, but I guess you're right...at some point we have to do something about chance...maybe even try to deal with him and then reneg at some point.
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Post by shimel on May 27, 2011 21:34:14 GMT -5
Ok but he'll be killing too and if he somehow manages not to kill any of us then we're still doing ok Two villagers over the next two days brings it to 6 Even if we get that lucky, app still gets 2 sees. It's too much to hope for that he doesn't see any of us in that span.
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Post by undercover brother on May 27, 2011 21:54:11 GMT -5
Ok, bartering with chance just gets us second place. Gauranteed.
We need to coordinate with the village and basically tell them that slithy has basically handed the game to chance and we can hang it up now and give him the win or we can put our shit on pause and tackle the problem. And pause means just that. No seers, no vig's, nothing aimed outside the attention of the Indy.
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Post by moses on May 27, 2011 23:11:34 GMT -5
But then you're just taking APP's word for it, and he has nothing to lose by not following that suggestion. And he will totally be all about, "Ha! I lied to you guys and saw all of you for the past three days! I'm smarter than you!"
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Post by moses on May 27, 2011 23:14:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's worth revealing any of us. Don't make it any easier for them. If the village doesn't think they're in such a hole that they shouldn't be focusing on the Indy, then we don't need to help them.
Chancel needs to be the demo vig every day, and he needs to be the mafia lynch, village lynch, Rocco's vig, and Ana's vig. I have to block him, and whatever other powers are out there have to be used on him. We could kill him in a day or two with that; there's still a lot of firepower in the game.
Also, I don't know why this hasn't been mentioned, but Ana has been vigging everyday since she got the power. I don't think she has the guard yet, meaning the full guard is probably still alive out there, somehow.
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Post by shimel on May 28, 2011 0:17:42 GMT -5
The vigs won't do anything to chance, assuming espyes told the truth about his power, and that it works. It doesn't matter how many are sent at him...if he posts enough, he has complete immunity to vigs. Which also means the village might use them elsewhere. We can;t trust them any more than we can trust chance to play along with our plans.
Re: the guard being alive...that makes sense, but I don't see how that can be. I still don't get why 6 characters were portrayed in the writeups when the village should have only started with 3 players awake though, so maybe Angel wasn't the guard.
Still, we should not help them unless they give up their sees.
Also, chance is so powerful, it would be better for him to think we had a deal with him and fire atwho we say instead.
I wonder if his win would supersede ours.
Poppy - If two win conditions are met at the same time, is it a tie?
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Post by poppycox88 on May 28, 2011 9:07:28 GMT -5
You guys can't win if the Indy is alive.
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Post by shimel on May 28, 2011 9:12:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess we can't really come out with a player to negotiate with them.
If Ana won't vig, I don't think we can block her and kill app though, as she'll be guarding him (and herself). Maybe he'll see Celtic, since there's suspicion on him? But that gives him another see tomorrow, since we don't have a block.
Ugh, this isn't good.
ETA - unless they do decide that multiple vigs can shoot through chancel's defenses, which Ana seems to think. In which case I think we block Ana and kill app.
There are enough players that we can use our lynch on chance when app is gone, but right now he's got a 4/7 chance of seeing mafia.
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Post by shimel on May 28, 2011 9:13:46 GMT -5
How about Celtic, chancel, Movi for the demovig? It hurts us the least and the village will probably buy it.
We need to find some way to have chance fire at them instead of us.
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Post by shimel on May 28, 2011 9:46:47 GMT -5
To try and hammer out the numbers:
Uncleared: Celtic, Rocco, Poker
Cleared: app, slithy, Ana, Emlyn, jon
Us: Moses, Movi, DeadPool, shimel
Indy: chance
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